Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I have the impression that the general thrust of this thread has been to *replace* AES-CBC with AES-CTR. There is currently an AES-CBC document in the IESG's doc queue that is a product of this wg, and based on that doc, hardware has been released and products have been shipped. That means that if we toss it out now, lots of time and money has been wasted. I hope that I really have misunderstood.