Re: Meta-comment: use of "red" / "black" terminology...

[Yoav Nir <ynir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think terms such as "protected", "sensitive", and "plaintext" are 
problematic because they are loaded with other meaning.  Perhaps we 
should choose terms which are currently neutral, and colors are a good 
selection.

Some people have said that "red" and "black" are overused.  I don't 
agree with that, but it should be a simple matter to choose other 
colors without all the baggage.  Or we could choose some other pair of 
meaningless terms like "north" and "south"  or "wet" and "dry".  So, 
are we going to mandate wet-side defragmentation?

Seriously, though, I don't see a problem with "red" and "black" so long 
as we don't treat these terms as generic, and explain them in every 
doc.

On Nov 12, 2003, at 5:50 PM, Stephen Kent wrote:

> At 15:39 -0800 11/11/03, Sean Kevin O'Keeffe wrote:
> > I prefer the PT/CT terminology and I believe there are ambiguity 
> > issues with using either 'Red'/'Black' or 'unprotected'/'protected.'
> >
> > Even within the DoD community, I find the use of terms 'Red' and 
> > 'Black' confusing, or even inaccurate, for many network 
> > configurations.  For example, if a user wishes to use a gateway to 
> > tunnel 'unsenstive' information through a 'sensitive' network, the 
> > encapsulated ciphertext appears at the 'Red'  interface of the 
> > gateway, not the 'Black' interface.  Another example where these 
> > terms are confusing is when a user nests multiple gateways.   This 
> > leads to situations where the 'Red' interface of a gateway may 
> > exchange packets with the 'Black' interface of a gateway in an 
> > interior layer.  (I believe the terms 'protected' and 'unprotected' 
> > suffer from the same ambiguity.)
> >
> > This second example raises another interesting notation issue.  If 
> > there is only a single PT/CT boundary in a system then it makes sense 
> > to refer to the 'PT network'  and the 'CT network.'   However, with 
> > gateway nesting,  we may have multiple PT/CT boundaries in a system.  
> > What naming system should we use to describe the various networks in 
> > such a configuration?
> >
> > -Sean O'Keeffe
>
> Sean,
>
> Since we have the option for already encrypted packets to enter the 
> "plaintext" side of an IPsec device, and because IPsec will often 
> allow traffic to pass through the barrier without encryption and 
> emerge on the "ciphertext" side, that I think these terms are not very 
> helpful.
>
> I think we have to pick a pair of terms and realize that they will not 
> always be perfectly descriptive in all contexts.
>
> Rich Graveman, in a message to me yesterday, noted that the ATM forum 
> folks use "protected" and "unprotected" to describe the sides of the 
> ATM crypto boundary in their documents. So, barring any better 
> suggestions, we will use those terms going forward.
>
> Steve